I understand you feel strongly about "After the Eulogy" but when it came out there had already been almost a decade of chugga-chugga hardcore bands that did it better and the melodic elements of the record are pretty much a direct ripoff of Falling Forward. Just because they were finally able to figure out the formula doesn't mean "After the Eulogy" was a monumental record in the hardcore scene. It was popular because the Victory Records machine was in full force by that time and pushing mediocre bands out to people was what they did best.
I guess in that point the regional difference comes in as well (I guess you know I'm german) and the fact that internet at that time was still small... no myspace, or simular and it was still a total different process of finding out about bands than nowadays.. there is always bands that probably did something before, but this was the first record a lot of people here found out about that "new" sound.. also before the hardcore scene and the punkrock scene seemed to be pretty divided.. when I went with my girlfriend at that time to shows like snapcase, morning again, earth crisis - I didn't met anybody I knew fom the punkrock shows I normally went to and it changed with bands like BSF or Grade coming up
of course the possiblities of victory made it possible the record got known in the scene pretty fast, but it was still good records that everybody recommended to each other
I am not discussing this with you out of meanness. At the end of the day there were far worse bands that Bot Sets Fire. Look at Earth Crisis. But there were also far better bands that Boy Sets Fire pretty much borrowed all of their ideas from. I just get tired of second generation bands taking credit for the foundation laid by those in the first generation that actually came up with the ideas. Jon
I didn't feel it mean and even if, music is a matter of taste... and I think thru working with music and the age I also got pretty relaxed.. a lot of people I met over the years my age all started with offspring and green day getting on mtv.. so should I hate them because they copied other bands and made millions while the orginal better bands struggle to pay their rent, or should I rather be happy bands like that were a starting point for a lot of people..
I can understand that if you as musician is tired of the fact that a lot of bands taht invented stuff is not paid tribute to.. I work a s a booking agent and would be actually happy if there is some more bands bget huge and thru that get some people digging deeper and finding out about all the cool bands they never heard of and help them thru attending their shows and buying their records than living their life listening just to radio bullshit and spending their money just to bands that already live well..
of course 2nd generation bands always should pay credit to their roots, but in the end how is the best way to do it? I guess you agree that quiet some people compared the first Gunmoll record you played on to Hot Water Music - weather its true or not and it was influencal to me (I still love that record and waited 1,5h in line last year to see you once in my life live), but not the whole scene... but what if it got bigger and would have introduced a lot of people f.e. in europe to a sound that was (maybe?) already existing for a while in your local scene?
There was also that "Misery Index" record that came out after the Wind-Up record. It is even worse than the major label release. How can you think that the example of "After the Eulogy" describes the band when their last two statements (albums) were full of radio friendly pop/hard rock songs with less muscle than a crappy Linkin Park tune?
I guess thats totally the point.. I felt like the wind up record is taken to decribe the band in your post and thats what I felt is not right... and of cousre its the same with after the eulogy... if I did taht - it wasn't my intention... you mainly talked about the wind up (or the last two records) several people agreed on your comment and I just wanted to mention the times the band and had a different sound and different standing in the scene
of course changing the sound in order to get more popular is one thing and I guess most people thought thats the case when they did put out the wind up record.. but as you mention "Misery Index" - they were dropped by the major back on smaller labels.. so they could have done a more HC record again to try to gain their credibilty in the scene back and live of that next years, but with that record I had the impression they do the sound they want, even if its not my cup of tea..