i have noticed a taste change in PBR over the last couple of months.... i wonder if this because of the switch to miller or that i'm officially over it.

I'm putting my money on the latter.

However, it's worth keeping in mind that we're talking about the last couple of summer months, so maybe you just haven't been able to keep it ice-cold enough to mask that almost sickeningly sour-sweet aftertaste, or perhaps your supply spent too much time baking in hot trucks and storerooms.

Hey, so, I'm curious what the story would be over there for some of the other German beers which are widely available here, like St Pauli Girl, Warsteiner, and Spaten.

I found it fascinating when I was in France that none of the cheap German beers on offer at the grocery store (I'm talking, like .35 euros for a 16 ounce can- the only one that comes to mind at the moment was "Konigsbacher") are available over here.

Most light lagers made anywhere in the world are pretty crappy. And I don't mean "light" as in reduced calorie or alcohol, just anything yellow. Beck's, Heineken, Bud Coors, Miller, Spaten, Singha, Kirin, Sapporro, Fosters, St. Pauli Girl, Corona, Molson, Carlsberg, Stella, etc etc. They're all about the same.

Just for the taste alone, I'd rather drink PBR than any continental lager, unless that lager is a dopplebock or oktoberfest beer, and even a lot of those suck.

for the price and taste, PBR beat out any bigger brewery. Narragansett is about the same price, and is actually pretty good. Yuengling sucks. Sam Adams is decent, but for about the same price I can get somehting better. Red Stripe is OK, but again, overpriced. Harp is decent, but a step down from Red Stripe or Sam Adams. Shiner is a small step down from Harp. Pilsner Urquell is good, but I'd really only want to drink it on tap. Brooklyn Lager is great (for a lager), and they have it decently priced at Common Grounds and The Atlantic. Oskar Blues Little Yella Pils is pretty good too, and they sometimes have it at CG.

and I think that just about sums it up on lagers that are likely to be available without looking too hard. I generally stick to ales.


and again- Bars selling a beer is just about the same as a Sponsorship.

I never even heard of a beer called st pauli girl and I live rather up north! Spaten is known, but its mainly big in munich.. I was born in a 24K town in bavaria and with the surrounding small villages there were like 4 breweries..

just look it up, there are around :
> over 800 breweries with less than 0,5 Million liters yearly production
> over 400 breweries with 0,5 Mi to 50 Million liters
> over 1200 breweries with over 50 Million liters
(microbrewies in the states have up to 18 mio l)

probably some have different brands as well.. so expect for becks and maybe astra, I normally try to stay away from the big ones.. as I said in another threat.. its not even untpycial to be in a bar and just order a beer.. non specific.. it can be different in a club.. but normally you just get the one on tap and thats simply paid the bar (part of) the tap system ... can be local one , can be a big one..

in each sort of beer there are some breweries that are available in whole germany and dominate, also they still have stronger regions like radeberger in the east, kormbacher at the west, certain sort of beer dominate in regions while the north pils is nr.1 in the cologne area its kölsch, altbier in in der ruhrpott and wheatbeer in bavaria..