No! That group of people on the way to kickstand were cracking everyone up. They called me a "white ho" and my friend a "leprechaun"

Oh fuuuuuck holier than though punk kids that think they wrote the definition of punk and are living it!!! They are ether going to end up as meth addicts or doing the white picket fence surburban home shit in the end. i've seen it happen so many times.

And is it terrible i'm still giggling about the "white devil" bit?[/quote]


"i'm glad you profiled me as a white devil. unfortunately, i profiled you as somone who could use a dollar..."

If you can't afford food for yourself and your dog, take the money you spent buying a Fest pass and get some basic necessities.

I have no quarrels telling people to fuck off asking me for change at Fest. It's expensive to get there, and if you can't afford basic needs like food and shelter you need to get your priorities in line.

When we were packing up the van outside Holiday Inn my partner was drinking a beer and this kid came up and was like WOWIE BEER! Can I have one? So being friendly, he gave the kid one, and then he asked for a cigarette. He said no. Then the kid asked if we knew where to get any 'dose.' We said fuck no. Then he proceeded to sit there and drink the beer in the parking lot, quite out in the open, and babble while we were trying to get shit done and call his friend saying "WOW ANS is playing! We gotta get one of those fucking day passes dude!"

Come to the Fest, don't know what bands are playing, clearly didn't buy a Fest pass, and walk around asking strangers for acid? Ughhh.

Also, gatoranch, any advice on liberating those dogs? I could think of plenty of good homes where they would get food and uh, medicine for goopy eye infections for one, if I could just wrangle them away!

on the violence thing, after torche played, and the floor cleared out, i looked down at the ground, and found a huge ass fucking knife.

a fucking hunting knife, with the gutting notch and shit. it was probably 8-9 inches long (like my weiner), but who brings a hunting knife to a torche show?

or to any show?

The kind folks staying in my room with me found a knife on the ground somewhere too.

I would too like to digress from this topic slightly. My friend told me she had an incident with some of her friends waiting for food at Checkers where they overheard a lady talking about the abundance of "800 something white folk" running around and that they were scared of everyone walking around, that they were going to get murdered. She told me they tried to nicely explain to the residents what the Fest was about and that the Fest-goers weren't looking to be violent nor do that to anyone who lived in town... and the girl wasn't having it.


Specifically to Jana or anyone who lives in town, have you guys ever experienced this mentality with G-ville residents during or leading up to/post Fest? I was in shock when my friend told me this.

Very valid and well said points. I was in no way implying that all "crusties" are the same, of course. You are absolutely correct in saying that all punks are not created equal. I myself have experienced disillusionment and alienation from others in the punk/hardcore community who are/could be considered part of the same fraction that "we" are all in.

I don't know about anyone else, but for me, I was just stating that I found it odd that this year they were acting very high and mighty. My previous two Fests I hadn't experienced that with the crusty kids. In fact, my first Fest I met a crusty dude through the people I was staying with from here in NY. Him and I got along and bonded and he's become a great friend to me in the years since, still is.

The alienation from these kids is something that happens across the board, but Rasputin is definitely correct in the sense that if the affects aren't long lasting it should not affect you. I'll certainly get over the dirty looks I got from the people at Wayward and not think about it when I wake up tomorrow. A few years ago, I was doing Food Not Bombs at ABC No Rio (the DIY punk community center of NYC) and had to leave it because the crust kids there were picking fights and arguments with me every week when I went to cook with them. That's something I felt that sucked and left a bad taste in my mouth as far as that sect of FNB went. But it could happen anywhere, and not just with crusties.


Interesting sidenote though. At some point during the weekend I ended up talking to a kid that I remember speaking to briefly at Fest 6. He approached me and said hello, do you remember me from two years ago, and I said I did but only vaguely. His immediate response after that was: "Well, yeah, I used to be super crusty. I don't really do that anymore, kinda grew out of it". And then when I think of it, he's correct. Two years ago he was - this time, he was wearing long shorts with a bunch of patches sewn on, but a regular collared flannel shirt and a trucker hat and looked fairly clean. I guess its interesting to realize that sometimes these kids grow out of that phase and are honest enough to recognize it as just that.

that's the rub. most of those people don't come to Fest to see many of the bands and don't usually buy any Fest passes. quite often they try to scrape up parts from other passes (the excess that gets cut off after someone puts it on your wrist) or luck out with finding one that broke and fell off someone. same crap happened at HoH and probably past Fests too.

Most of my friends either go to the Fest or don't know what it is because they're in Jacksonville at the game. The ones who know what the Fest is and don't go only have problems with the bikers who swerve in and out of traffic and the crusties who hassle them as they go about their day/crash on their porches. I've never found that any of them think they're about to be murdered or hurt, but they don't like the disrespect Gainesville gets during the Fest from some people.

I saw a kid get his brass knuckles taken away as I entered the Venue for SBB.

can we just add all the kids who travel to the Fest without attending the shows, solely to hang outside of the venues?

Was the kid a little bit bigger(not fat or tall, but just more meat) with short black hair and no facial hair? I saw one kid at Cam's Cove that had what looked like brass knuckles on when some people were moshing. I saw it for maybe 5 seconds and just thought "What the fuck is that?" and then he put his right hand behind his back hidden by his backpack. After about 10 minutes of his hand behind his back he fiddled with his hand and I didn't see anything on his hands, but I was expecting to hear something about this guy getting arrested over the weekend for doing something dumb.

Someone was selling knucks out of their booth at registration. It was pretty fucked and I don't know why something wasn't done about it.

Someone was selling knucks out of their booth at registration. It was pretty fucked and I don't know why something wasn't done about it.[/quote]


WTF?! That's insane, specifically also because Tony told me a while ago that the stuff to be sold during registration was regulated. He said to me when I called to ask about tabling stuff that they would specifically make sure "nobody sells ninja stars or anything of the sort", basically implying weapons weren't allowed. Granted, I can imagine how hectic everyone was and that the Fest staff can't moderate or babysit every booth. But still, you'd think this would be stopped somehow. I'm honestly surprised nobody reported it.

Do you remember which booth? I was so busy running mine on Friday that I didn't get to specifically look at every one.